Curse

LicensedLuny · Dec 14, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

For anyone who doesnt know, you basically have to take on around 4 groups of about 15 margonites.

Each with 3 clerics, lots of warriors, 3 reapers and 3 sears.

Taking out the clerics is hard enough due to spell-breaker.

I did the quest. I think it's actually closer to 15 groups of 4 or 6 margonites each. (Realize that the monk AI from other groups will still try to heal non-party member allies if they're hurt and within his range.) The ones you can't pick off in small groups as they rush in do bunch up and make it real hard to avoid aggroing only one group, but they do continue to behave as separate groups if you can manage to separate them. *psst ... longbows with the henchies flagged off behind you*

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As much as I love a challenge. There just isnt any joy in this quest.

I had a similiar experience when trying it. Whole hench team and myself at 60 dp. But I thought it was fun! We did eventually kill them off, one by one. (So glad you can't get more than 60dp)

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No lightbringer points or sunspear points?

Totally /signed on that one! I want some LB points for that, and there are no margonite blessings anywhere in that zone IIRC.

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Anyone explain how this seems satisfying? and why did Anet even feel the need to do this? I cant remember thinking prophercies or factions were that stupidly easy that it required upping the difficulty this much.

Can't speak to ANet's reasoning, but quests where you defend against waves are not new to GW in NF. Remember Undead Hordes outside Beetletun? When you don't know what to expect first time through the story (and you're not a team of lv 20's chock full of elites coming back to clean up quests later,) that can be wickedly hard the first time. And everyone I play with on a regular basis also finds that quest wickedly fun!

So, please don't change this one ANet! Some of us like it!
Luny

Kalki · Dec 14, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

You failed. I'll repeat myself. YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED!

Ok... take a deep breath, let the pain and frustration leave you. Seriously, take a deep breath right now. Relax, you're getting yourself too worked up over failing a quest. It's not worthy of stress. Once you're relaxed try again... or don't.

There are 2 types of people in this world. Those that are afraid of failure and those that aren't.

I bet you never PvP because you can't handle losing. And if you occasionally do, I bet you rage quit after your first loss. It doesn't make you a bad person, and no one hates you for it. Although you should really get over your fear of losing for your own sake of happiness.

You get no sympathy from me. That quest is possible with no difficulty if you plan.

crimsonfilms · Dec 14, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Lack of tactic and your refusal/inability to come with one are 2 different things.

konohamaru heaven · Dec 14, 2006, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

Larger numbers forces the use of different tactics. To say that going from 10v8 to 15v8 is "no real change" misses the fact that the 10v8 can be beaten with any number of strategies, including simple brute force, whereas the 15v8 is likely to require a bit more thinking. Beating overwhelming numbers of stronger enemies is difficult exactly because it can't be done through 'normal' means.

Case in point: The Battle of Turai's Procession is actually easy and straightforward with a change in tactics.

Well, said you have to asses the situation and decide which action would work the best if you fail once try a different tactic. Larger numbers tend are intended to make you think most of the time.

freekedoutfish · Dec 14, 2006, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by konohamaru heaven

Comparing the two chapters is like comparing Night today. Factions was based on massive rewards for little to no effort which really is just plain silly IMHO (I say make factions a lot harder too

) to level up faster while in NightFall they want you to actually work for your experience to level up and the fact you have 3 additional party members you can control all the way down to their attribute point I think deserves you to have to do more work it is an equal trade off.

I hate to tell you this but almost every rpg are hack and slash to an extent like WoW, Guild Wars, Diablo II, EverQuest and the list can go on and on and on. If you are having so much trouble change your party style change a hero or two your party variety plays a big role in what you can and can't do.

By changing one party member it changes the tilt of can and cant do. If you are so unhappy about the rewards just do not play it simple as that.

So far you are the only person I have seen to post on complaining about the rewards how would you feel if the reward was dropped to 1000 experience like like the average quest reward was in Prophecies. People like you are really too greedy when it comes to rewards and I blame Factions for this since it made people want to be lazy.

So I cant compare factions to nightfall in terms of rewards, but you can compare prophercies to nightfall?

That really makes sense.

Prophercies doesnt have loads of quests which just throw mob after mob at you like Nightfall and factions.

Thats why you dont get huge rewards for them. You dont feel like you need them. You dont feel let down for spending an hour trying to do it to only be given 1k reward.

Tyria does how-ever still have the titan quests and SF which gives away 10k for completing.

Yet alot of these are easier then some masters quests in nightfall. So by that comparison, we should be getting more in nightfall.

As for the comment saying im greedy!

Thats was just un-needed. Just because I feel that a "masters" quest should have more reward compared to "reqular" quests doesnt mean im greedy.

It makes sense to me.

Why call something a "master" quest and suggest thats its harder then most, then give such a low reward? or a reward which is no higher then regular ones.

Katari · Dec 14, 2006, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Good MMs FTW? I donno, I honestly didn't have an issue with this quest... I got it done on the first try with no wipes using henchies+heros. *shrug* I had a barrage ranger, SF ele, and MM for heros, and I was a mes...

Tickle · Dec 14, 2006, 10:32 PM // 22:32

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Originally Posted by konohamaru heaven

You have to understand the Cleric Margonite AI isn't too bright in some missions/quests I was able to wipe out two groups each with their own cleric at one time by ignoring them for the most part why you might ask is that their AI will not cast spell breaker on any other ally besides themselves so you could say nuke'm in the crossfire and I did this all with henchmen and Heroes in my groups.

~Konohamaru

P.S. Just remember any player can be great but, only the truely great learn by watching how the enemy acts.

Sagistic words right there and all you want to do is flame him for giving you advice on how to pass this quest, really..
It's almost a redundant point trying to help some ppl Konohamaru I just hope others follow this advice then turn around to this guy and say, "WTF you on the answer was right in front of you and you basically choose to ignore it."
I mean, c'mon man you want to pass this quest or what? Stop with the flaming and start playing.

Mysterial · Dec 14, 2006, 10:36 PM // 22:36

The quest wasn't that difficult, although I would agree that the quest rewards in general reflect neither the effort nor difficulty required... they all tend to be the same basic reward regardless of what you have to do.

Angelica · Dec 14, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

I gave up on that quest after the first try!

I did not care, really, it is not a part of the story you must complete to go on with the game.

I play for pleasure and stress relieve ...... I do not need to be aggarvate by some not necessary quest!

freekedoutfish · Dec 14, 2006, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by Tickle

Sagistic words right there and all you want to do is flame him for giving you advice on how to pass this quest, really..
It's almost a redundant point trying to help some ppl Konohamaru I just hope others follow this advice then turn around to this guy and say, "WTF you on the answer was right in front of you and you basically choose to ignore it."
I mean, c'mon man you want to pass this quest or what? Stop with the flaming and start playing.

Is that aimed at me?

I willing to accept advice, but when someone starts saying im a typical greedy player who just wants huge amounts of xp, im hardly going to accept that.

I havent resorted to flaming anyone. Ive just expressed my opinion. If ive spoken out to defend myself, then its only when ive needed to.

freekedoutfish · Dec 14, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by Kalki

You failed. I'll repeat myself. YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED! YOU FAILED!

Ok... take a deep breath, let the pain and frustration leave you. Seriously, take a deep breath right now. Relax, you're getting yourself too worked up over failing a quest. It's not worthy of stress. Once you're relaxed try again... or don't.

There are 2 types of people in this world. Those that are afraid of failure and those that aren't.

I bet you never PvP because you can't handle losing. And if you occasionally do, I bet you rage quit after your first loss. It doesn't make you a bad person, and no one hates you for it. Although you should really get over your fear of losing for your own sake of happiness.

You get no sympathy from me. That quest is possible with no difficulty if you plan.

lol, im no stranger to frustration after getting protector on all 3 campaigns and spending hours staring at maps to get 100% on all 3 :P

But that was satisfying to achieve. It felt like I had gained something.

But to only get 4k experience for a supposedly "master" quest, whether it be hard or not, isnt satisfying and it doesnt feel worth while.

I would stick at it if I felt Id be achieving something. Whether it be lightbringer points or more xp, or even an item or weapon.

myword · Dec 15, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

then don't do it

Sekkira · Dec 15, 2006, 12:45 AM // 00:45

I had no trouble with this on my Warrior. I just killed stuff until they stopped coming. No deaths in the party. Dunno what you're doing wrong.

VitisVinifera · Dec 15, 2006, 01:00 AM // 01:00

there's a pretty easy way to complete this, I'm not sure if it would be termed a 'trick', or just a smarter way of taking on the mobs, but it's not simply standing in the middle and letting yourself get overwhelmed. I'm not going to put the tactic right here unless I'm specifically asked to, but wiki has the method
2 ppl with 3 heroes each can do this in 15-20 min with maybe one or two heroe deaths, running decent (read: doesnt have to be cookie cutter) builds

Thallandor · Dec 15, 2006, 01:06 AM // 01:06

It can be HeroHenched even though we did it last as a guild group.

No one said you had to fight at the location of the where Margos garther. Just pull back to the other side of the hill and pull groups (they will filter out into smaller groups even though the whole group comes at you at first.) and its just a pull kill routine until all of the groups are killed.

In case of human/PUG groups, a good tank and nuker does help alot, so does LBG.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Dec 15, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

if this were a primary quest, then I would feel bad for you and would support you, but it isn't it is optional, you don't like the difficulty don't try, these quests are here for people who WANT to do them, noone is holding a gun to your head. I do agree it would be nice if the rewards were better, but eh it isn't imperative..

Admael · Dec 15, 2006, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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this quest is hero/henchable.

VitisVinifera · Dec 15, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

there's a pretty easy way to complete this, I'm not sure if it would be termed a 'trick', or just a smarter way of taking on the mobs, but it's not simply standing in the middle and letting yourself get overwhelmed. I'm not going to put the tactic right here unless I'm specifically asked to, but wiki has the method
2 ppl with 3 heroes each can do this in 15-20 min with maybe one or two heroe deaths, running decent (read: doesnt have to be cookie cutter) builds

GloryFox · Dec 15, 2006, 01:47 AM // 01:47

Myself Necro MM
Olias Necro MM
Master Necro MM
Dunkaro Ritualist Commune and Protection 12/16
2 Monk Henchman
Devona
Paragon Henchman

about 25+ Minions on the field... + Pain Shadowsong and Bloodsong

Overkill... and beatable

mr_groovy · Dec 15, 2006, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Just use brute force ^^.
Get a trapper to trap 3 patches. Lure them in to the traps. Nuke and Searing Flame the Crap out of them. Spam LBgaze (it actually does 100 damage here), and let the wammo's take out the scraps. Repeat for all the mobs. That's how i did it ..
Used:

1 Trapper
2 SF MS Ele
1 MM
2 Wammo's
2 Monks